orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum for Henna and her daughters)

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orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum for Henna and her daughters)

This was my second purchase of Punjabi Prime henna with the lower dye content and a different red than the usual 'auburn' you get from most hennas (like Jamilla which I used previously.)

I bought the Punjabi Prime because it said it was possibly that 'different red' you've been looking for. It was. I used it on my own hair which is basic 'auburn' when I henna'd it, and it was a lovely 'irish' light red instead.

I did two things differently, tho, than I usually do when I henna. My old henna routine was with Jamilla (sp?) henna mixed with bottled lemon juice, wait 12 hours for dye release, slather on for an hour or two, rinse, then shampoo out.

I noticed with the old Jamilla and lemon juice it darked the more I blow dried. I could actually see it darken while blow drying the next day. It turned from the light red to the dark auburn before my eyes 12 hrs later, which I don't like, personally for my skin color (it's ruddy colored).

Using the Punjabi Prime instead, I omitted lemon juice completely, which always gave me a massive headache - and with the Punjabi Prime I instead used yogurt (as the acid for dye release) with active cultures in it. The first time it was a low-fat organic; the second time I used it I couldn't find any organic so it was just a greek-style, full-fat honey yougurt with active cultures. Both had active cultures with the Punjabi Prime, but other than that, both yougurts produced the same color result.

Yogurt instead of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice is much nicer to work with too as i mix it to a fluffy souffle consistancy. Like a heavy mouse.

(SideNote: I do Cassia for my second blonde daughter and still use lemon juice with it, tho, becuase lemon juice with cassia brightens and lightens, bringing out the gold better - no henna - as she has no desire to be red of any kind.)

I first time I did the Punjabi Prime it was the summer when the temp in the house was very hot; and, now, I did it yesterday, when it was snowing and the heater in the house blew up so was ice cold in this house. The Dye release was the same weather it was hot or cold which I thought was interesting. I thought maybe the henna wouldn't release as much dye with me seeing my breathe in here almost, but the color was just as orange as the first fime in summer with all the heat in the house.

With the Punjabi Prime and yogurt mix, I did my daughter's dark blonde roots and rest of her previously-henna'd Punjabi Prime locks and it turned out beautifully light red again.

I think the lemon juice is definately playing a factor in the 'auburning' affect, the darkening affect. Yougurt vs. Lemon Juice produces a difference, it seems. I read here that people using yougurt noticed the same difference as well. I also noticed that blowdrying it immediately after dying does not darken the Punjabi Prime to an 'auburn' either like the Jamalli and Lemon Juice did.

My daughter also washed her hair twice with shampoo after the Punjabi and yougurt mix was on for only 30 minutes - shampooing it out made no effect whatsoever on lessening the color or weaking it. It's rich, orangy irish red over her blond locks. Not auburn. It's been 18 hours and it hasn't oxidized either like the Jamilla and Lemon Juice always does.

Try yougurt instead of lemon juice if you want a lighter red. It might not work with your personal henna choice, but it does seem to work really well with the Punjabi Prime.

As far as saying the Punjabi Prime does not cover grey conclusively, I cannot say, as my daughter has dark, drab blonde locks, not grey, and I know that non-pigmented hair (grey and white? or just grey?) is supposed to be harder to color, and the site says Punjabi Prime doesn't cover grey well. But I have white stragglers in my own dull brown/red hair and Punjabi and yougurt covers every single one of my white/greys - only at about less than 10% grey/white currenly tho. I'd give it a try if you think you'll like the color. I think the dye in the Punjabi Prime mixed with yougurt is a really nice dye concentration, myself, and i think, tho lighter, with the yogurt, Punjabi is richer, just not that purply-red color, more orange and light.

I am very pleased with the Punjabi. Excuse any spelling errors and please only take my experices with a grain of salt and remember we colored a drab blonde's hair and a former redhead-turning-dishwater-brown's hair. I do not know what effect punjabi would have on a brunette, but it's so pretty i'd be willing to try it if I were one.

Lastly, thanks to all the stories people post here about their hair which have helped me over the years figure out what i'm doing with henna. This is the best henna resource on the web, and a thank you to the webmistress and owner for such a wonderful supply of pure quality henna products and information.

E, and her daughters S and E

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

Please do not think I'm trying to be rude, but can you please try to avoid walls of text like that? Its very hard to read, especially if the font size is rather small - as it is here. Could you try and break it up into paragraphs next time, please? Thanks :)

 

 

And yes, I know I can zoom in to read it, but most of the time I dont think about it.

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

Lemon juice mixes will have a quicker, more dramatic darkening from oxidation, especially when you apply heat.

Punjabi prime doesn't go very far to cover gray when working toward darker colors, especially when indigo is involved. I'm not surprised that you had success with your goals.

Thanks for sharing! More experiences and more stories make it easier for people to decide what they want to try!

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Yes, I agree ... PP doesn't

Yes, I agree ... PP doesn't give as dark a shade of red as Yemen, so it doesn't cover gray as well if your criteria for covering gray is that it blends in better on darker hair. But if your color goal is a bright shade of red, then Punjabi Prime will do that on gray hair very nicely!

That's pretty impressive that you got a light red with only a 30 minute application in yogurt, actually. I would've expected a bright gold to light orange with an application as brief as that. Punjabi Prime may not be as kick-ass as Yemen but I find it a very delightful henna that definitely gives me a respectable color jolt!

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

Punjabi Prime may be estimated at 1.7% dye content.  I can't absolutely verify this because we moved tonnage from one warehouse to another, and to have perfect tracking, we'd have to have every carton labeled, which we didn't.  But from the batch we tested ........ I think you can assume that Punjabi primehas a relatively low dye content.

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

And ...... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "USUAL" JAMILA.

I know this because we're sending every shipment, batch by batch, for testing.  We've got lawsone contents from 1.7% to 3.4% in shipments from Abid and Co (over 5 tests)..  Henna is generally from 1% to 4.5% lawsone according to tests from the Arid Zone Research Institute in Jodhpur.  That means the range of results of things in sleeves that say "Jamila" is absolutely huge, and if your supplier is not testing, you have no idea what you're getting.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings ........ but that's what the lab sez.  The box may say Jamila, and the contents are probably very finely sifted and clean ..... but the lawsone content could be ....... damn near anything and you'll have no way of knowing until you test.  Or until you seller tests.

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

Do you have any photos posted anywhere to compare the colors of the Jamila results versus the PP results?  I'm really interested but I'm having a difficult time picturing "true Irish red."  Thanks!

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Re: orangy red with Punjabi Prime (herded from OLD HP forum ...

Products marked Jamila could be .... well, there's so much variation, they could be just about anything.  Everybody's got different shipments, and as far as I know, I'm the only one that's done any independent lab testing.

I wish there was a way to quantify the difference "on hair" of the different things I've got.  Hair has so many variables ... and photographing the difference is really tough.  The only way to know what's gonna work for you is to try stuff. and ... try stuff that you've got some proven data for.

Punjabi prime was about 1.7% lawsone content (the shipments got mixed when we moved warehouse, so I can't be as certain as I am with the more recent shipments).  Henna for African hair was 2.15% (previous batch) and 2.2% (present batch).  Purity 101509 is 2.3% lawsone.  The present crop of Yemen is 2.4%.  The new shipment of Celebration (not on the website yet) is 3.4%. 

There is a LOT of difference! What's in the box?  No way to know unless you send it to the lab.

Three jugs of milk may look the same, but one is skim, one is 2% and one is 4%, and one is cream.  Can't tell by looking at them.  You can tell by laboratory assay, or you can tell by drinking a gulp. Just like boxes of Jamila. 

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